“I lived in a town called Clarion and she was from there and her family had been farmers. He, the husband Ray, was actually a city boy and he worked for a rubber company or a tire company in like Toledo and he hated it. He said. “We need to go back to Iowa.” Well, he didn’t know a thing about farming and it wasn’t a good piece of land. She was clinically depressed just for being back there. She wanted to escape and he had this romantic notion. The family were not politically active, were not active in their community. So a lot of ways Gaudino sold the program – seeing how people’s values affected their interactions with these institutions—didn’t happen for me. I just got to see what married life was like between two people who weren’t happy with what they were doing.

–Dick Slade '74