I valued the academic more than a lot of people. I thought we were supposed to be learning substantively things about India and developing an in-depth knowledge of the culture and the politics and the economics. I valued that while others in Williams-in-India were far more experientially oriented. They were more sort of interested in the sort of discovery of the self. They were very rebellious of the whole Williams discipline and I liked it. There was a lot of conflict between me and other people in the Williams-in-India group and I think in many ways he tried to make me more sympathetic to those who had a different perspective. Here were other people who thought all this academic stuff is bull—- and they were interested in meditation and a totally non-academic way of learning about things. Here were some people who just wanted to be cool; they just wanted to do something different. I think he wanted to see if people like that, the experience would change their attitude towards college and they would come back with a sense of direction and have more purpose than just sort of going through the motions because they have to go to college.